The Ultimate Pickleball Paddle Spin Comparison

The Ultimate Pickleball Paddle Spin Comparison

Which Pickleball paddle truly puts the most spin on the ball? In this video we put that to the test. I got tired of all the marketing hype from companies and decided to take 29 paddles and test it out myself and see which ones lived up to the hype and which didn’t.

Link to the spreadsheet for more data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oq3JfBK_RO5eUWFOiHtkP85v8hFAw8a30TFfquhG-II/edit?usp=sharing

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0:00 – 0:51 Intro
0:51 – 1:51 Testing method
1:51 – 2:31 Which paddles were tested
2:31 – 3:30 Categories
3:30 – 5:49 Low spin paddles
5:49 – 6:57 Medium/average spin paddles
6:57 – 7:52 Ben Johns grit comparison/results
7:52 – 8:20 More medium/average spin paddles
8:20 – 9:18 High spin paddles
9:18 – 10:03 Spreadsheet
10:03 – 10:47 Thick paddle vs thin paddle observation
10:47 – 12:49 Closing thoughts

50 Comments

  1. david brown on November 19, 2021 at 9:22 pm

    slip a niupipo explorer pro in your list

  2. James Kmosko on November 19, 2021 at 9:22 pm

    I had the pleasure of seeing you talk about this process for a week or two on the pickleball discord server before you finally made this video. Great video, tremendous research! I can’t believe how much work you put into this. You’ve got some of the best pickleball content on YouTube, and a criminally low number of subscribers. Keep up the good work!

  3. WisGuy4 on November 19, 2021 at 9:22 pm

    Please test the Prince Spectrum Pro.

    I bought one used off eBay that is pretty well worn with a quite smooth surface on both sides yet I am able to get quite a lot of spin without even trying too hard or having that much skill and experience, coming to Pickleball from other racket sports just a couple of months ago.

    Thanks and thanks for making this video. Yes, some of the other comments about ways you might improve the accuracy of your results do have validity, but you might have to spend quite a lot on indoor court fees and get some dirty looks from other people if you’re taking up a court for the hours needed to test all these paddles. And, really, how many amateurs who are not employed by a robotics lab have the possibility of testing with a mechanical arm?

  4. Brdzfan on November 19, 2021 at 9:24 pm

    Good stuff! Thanks for the hard work going through these!

  5. Russell Graves on November 19, 2021 at 9:25 pm

    I’d love to hear the results for Prince paddles. Any chance for a test?

  6. Adam Richards on November 19, 2021 at 9:25 pm

    Nice job! Great job on the test and way to put in the work.

  7. Jesus Argel on November 19, 2021 at 9:25 pm

    Great vid! Would love to see the results on Gamma paddles too

  8. SurePlan Financial, Inc. on November 19, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    I appreciate the effort you put into this, and enjoyed your video; however, the results are going to be inaccurate due to variation in each person’s swing technique: stroke, grip, swing head speed, etc…not to mention that testing outdoors can inject more variation into the tests due to changes in wind speed, wind direction, etc… For a truly accurate test of paddle spin capabilities, you’d need to test indoors, build a mechanical or robotic arm to (as precisely as possible) swing the paddle the exact same way and exact same speed every time, and with the exact optimum spin producing grip on the paddle and the grip adjusted for different types of spin, i.e. topspin, backspin, slice, etc…then use your camera as you did (which I really liked). I’ve done a lot of reliability testing, QA, etc…while in the Air Force, and also while working on military DOD Aerospace projects, propulsion, and advanced composites, throughout the 90’s and early 00’s. Variation in testing procedures must be accounted for and reduced as much as possible to achieve accurate test results. I also repair paddles for many players across the country. I just repaired a PaddleTek Tempest Wave Pro which had the entire grip/handle snapped off. Now it’s better than new. I liked that you pointed out the rapid degradation of the Franklin Johns paddle’s “Max Grit” which under USAPA rules is 30 micrometers. That paddle’s grit surface wears out so rapidly, it’s a wonder that they even sell any of them! I’ve used it before and really don’t like it. You can also measure surface roughness on each paddle with a surface roughness tester…which is how the USAPA tests their paddles which are sent in for certification testing. Surface deflection also needs to be taken into consideration, as well as core thickness, types of cores used, etc…

  9. DaveLL500 on November 19, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    Good job Chris. How many hours of playing does it take for a Franklin Ben Johns to lose enough grit to be considered "old"? Also, if you get a chance to test the Electrum E (my paddle), let me know.

  10. Arthur Lim on November 19, 2021 at 9:28 pm

    Super helpful. Thanks!

  11. Random Tennis on November 19, 2021 at 9:28 pm

    very well edited video! I smashed the like button after hearing what your said 😉I have the Babolat RNGD touch and power, and the touch gives me way more spin then the power. cool video! 🙂 subscribed!

  12. The Pickleball Mafia on November 19, 2021 at 9:30 pm

    Love how you guys through in the wood paddle! This video is great because you guys didn’t by into the hype around the marketing and got right into the data! I look forward to more of you videos!

  13. Michael Le on November 19, 2021 at 9:31 pm

    I saw you wear a Pikninja Cap, I would like to get the Asassin Pro. What do you think of that Paddle?

  14. Bryan Baker on November 19, 2021 at 9:33 pm

    Gamma Hellbender, plz!

  15. Braydon Unsicker on November 19, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    This is great! Your test was done from the baseline with a full swing. It would be interesting to see how these paddles stack up differently if you tested spin with shorter, softer shots like dinks and drops. I’d be willing to be that paddles like the Diadem Warrior would rank higher in that type of test.

  16. El Boliviano (^-^) on November 19, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    I started off with a wooden onix paddle. No one believed the spin

  17. Squaredot01 on November 19, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    Amazing work and thank you for sharing your data!! I was very surprised by some of these results too!

  18. Matt Skahen on November 19, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    Hey team, with which Ben Johns paddle did you test? 13MM or 16MM? Great video.

  19. Greg Overall on November 19, 2021 at 9:35 pm

    Great video! Although it left me with a question. Does a paddle that gives you high spin also react more to spin from another person shot? Thus making it harder to control off your paddle.

  20. Patrick Snyder on November 19, 2021 at 9:35 pm

    Have you ever tested any of the TMPR paddles

  21. Rob on November 19, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    👏👏👏👏👏👏🎯👌

  22. Nicholas B on November 19, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    A proven scientific method to add to your analysis, try these tests on Pickleballs, these tests are used on baseballs ,golf balls, softballs. Tests are Coefficient of Restitution (COR), Angle of Incidence and Angle of Restitution

  23. Abhi Singh on November 19, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    Awesome video! You should start a Top Gear style “wall,” adding paddles as you go. Interested in seeing how Prolite paddles fare.

  24. Matt Battaglia on November 19, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    Great job with this! The sport needs more data like this! Great job with the video also

  25. bigying on November 19, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    I wonder if you took degradation (wear and tear) into account, i.e. testing on these paddles after 10 weeks of usage. i find that my paddle, when new, gave me tremendous performance/control, but after the sweetspot became grazed, then i do not get the same level of control.

  26. A J C Sr on November 19, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    Did you guys test the
    Selkirk Vanguard hybrid S2 ?

  27. PikNinja Sports on November 19, 2021 at 9:40 pm

    Chris – you and your team keep raising the bar! We love it! Can’t wait to have you try our new paddles soon.

  28. Justin Powell on November 19, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    I’d love to see you test the Vulcan v560 control and power. Great video!

  29. Thejoeb on November 19, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    The hero we need, but dont deserve.

  30. terraXR on November 19, 2021 at 9:47 pm

    When you swing a paddle, the tip will have a higher velocity than any part of the paddle closer to you (e.g. the handle). That’s because the tip will travel a farther distance than the handle in the same amount of time (imagine the tip and the handle both tracing out arcs in the air as you swing – the tip’s arc is longer than the handle’s). So everything else being equal, I’d expect a longer paddle to generate more spin than an identical but shorter paddle due to greater velocity when striking the ball.

    So it might be that one brother has adjusted to striking the ball with the Pursuit MX 6.0 at the optimum strike/sweet spot (farther away from the handle) while the other brother hasn’t adjusted to hitting farther out in the more optimal spot. Another difference could have been one brother was using more wrist motion which would increase tip speed while the other didn’t. This is why engineers who studied tennis racquets long ago build machines to swing racquets to ensure every swing was identical during testing.

    Longer paddles have more advantages than just giving you a little more reach. You can get a little more speed/spin out of the ball too (again, everything else being equal). Great video!

  31. Kylar A. Dunn on November 19, 2021 at 9:48 pm

    If you guys get a chance, I’d love to know what you think of the Golden Forged Carbon Pro Pickleball Paddle

    and where that falls in the line up if you get to play with it. They advertise good spin. Thanks for all the work here!

  32. Rodger Ricks on November 19, 2021 at 9:49 pm

    please review the Electrum E

  33. Dale Zwack on November 19, 2021 at 9:53 pm

    Awesome video! What kind of camera and software do you use? Did you hit all 700 balls in a single day?

  34. Shea Underwood - Pickleball Road to Pro on November 19, 2021 at 9:55 pm

    Chris! I swear everything you do is so high-quality. Love your testing methodology and the way you present your findings. I hope we can work together sometime soon!

  35. Karl Claus on November 19, 2021 at 9:55 pm

    Great video. You tested the ONIX wood to everyone’s surprise, but not any other ONIX paddles. How about testing the popular ONIX Z5 ? It certainly has a gritty surface.

  36. JC on November 19, 2021 at 9:56 pm

    Amazing work man!!!👍👍

  37. Alexander Lawhun on November 19, 2021 at 9:57 pm

    This is amazing work.
    Couple questions.
    1) what kind of ball are you using? Looks like you were using a dura in the beginning and then switched to an onix pure later.
    2) only one question. Amazing content and thanks for doing this! I’m an invikta user and don’t really care about the spin. 4.5 player here.

  38. thomas n on November 19, 2021 at 9:57 pm

    Hi great video. But isn’t the engage encore mx 6.0 fiber glass not graphite? Maybe this is an error? Unless you meant engage pursuit mx 6.0? Or am I wrong

  39. peter bedford on November 19, 2021 at 9:59 pm

    Will adding weight improve spin?

  40. Jon Reilly on November 19, 2021 at 10:01 pm

    Love it Chris! RIP adidas lmao

  41. LearnMuscles.com on November 19, 2021 at 10:02 pm

    Fabulous video! I wonder if you can speak to the longevity of the spinny surface for the paddles (besides what you have said about the Ben Johns (which I have and am so disappointed with how quickly it went smooth). Anyone out there have any comments about the top three in the list???

  42. Trey Witzel on November 19, 2021 at 10:05 pm

    Dang RIP adidas

  43. terraXR on November 19, 2021 at 10:09 pm

    I’d be interested in testing the Players Pickleball Rogue 2 Hybrid. It’s a longer paddle with a rough face plus I’ve found it has a lot of pop when struck in it’s sweet spot. The folks at Players are very nice and may lend you a paddle to test.

  44. Heidi Abele on November 19, 2021 at 10:10 pm

    I love the work you put into this data! Its still the personal touch you put in the swing,but the paddle is your tool!

  45. BarbaraGans on November 19, 2021 at 10:13 pm

    Kennetic Pro

  46. Mani DeBest on November 19, 2021 at 10:15 pm

    I like the data, the conclusions may not be right. It is possible you get more spin from thin and lighter paddles. Also spin can be due to the paddle balance. Having more spin good for the game? Not sure.

  47. Jon Parisian on November 19, 2021 at 10:16 pm

    Please breakdown the data for only yourself and then breakdown the data from your brother. I suspect you and your brother hit the paddles differently. To truly compare the spin data from different paddles, you need to build a mechanical machine. God bless you on your first attempt.

  48. Austin on November 19, 2021 at 10:19 pm

    crbn and electrum actually have the same exact material lol

  49. Jared Cohen on November 19, 2021 at 10:19 pm

    Try the Engage pursuit mx 6.0

  50. Kim Taylor Pickleball on November 19, 2021 at 10:20 pm

    Awesome video! Can’t wait to see more

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