14 Comments

  1. Paul McDevitt on April 5, 2021 at 11:45 pm

    Another great teaching video fro Joe. I love the fact they are evidence based with thorough examples.



  2. Dale Voigt on April 5, 2021 at 11:50 pm

    That watch the pros shot has intensional wrist lag and breaking at contact. https://youtu.be/0GRFDTIv72k?t=348



  3. Grace on April 6, 2021 at 12:00 am

    I was taught to serve deep but I have noticed when I watch the pros weather men or women, that their servers aren’t rapid fire bullets that are deep. They just get them in the middle of the court and don’t seem too concerned about serving really deep. So that got me thinking and your video analysis seals the deal for me. I don’t always have to think deep.



  4. Richard's World Traveler on April 6, 2021 at 12:07 am

    Another great video. Your channel has really blown up lately. Congrats.



  5. Casey Brehm on April 6, 2021 at 12:07 am

    Another amazing video Joe



  6. Scott Tobkes on April 6, 2021 at 12:08 am

    Very interesting and great advice



  7. Kyle Butz on April 6, 2021 at 12:11 am

    If you watch the top top players, it’s very difficult to create advantage on the serve in doubles. In this case, you’re looking at 4 of the best players who can all handle any serve. For that reason, the benefit of going for a bigger serve is minuscule so the risk of hitting the bigger serve causes the decision. If you look at singles, guys serve harder/deeper at the top level as they sometimes do create an advantage. Depending on the match-up and game conditions, I believe top guys will hit the serve harder and deeper when they figure the ratio of cheap points gotten versus missed serves is favorable. In an even-ish matchup as shown, the lost opportunity cost of a missed serve is simply too high. As long as a simple serve gets a fairly even rally going into the 3rd shot, it’s the sensible decision.



  8. Nick Meyer on April 6, 2021 at 12:11 am

    Glad to see you are back creating videos Joe. Very interesting although watching all those serves was mind numbing. I think you could have shown a few and then summarized, but I appreciate all the effort. I have noticed the conservative serving pattern in casual watching, but never did an analysis like you did here. As usual, I like your graphics and really liked your "serve scatter plot" point.



  9. pentaman24 on April 6, 2021 at 12:21 am

    I agree that the first priority is to get the serve into the court. Notice that the all the pros receive the serve from about three feet from behind the baseline instead of cheating forward to get to the ball sooner and get a better return. Maybe they know that the pros have the ability to serve the ball to the back third end of the court consistently. I will continue to practice my deep serves.



  10. Smells Like Campfire on April 6, 2021 at 12:21 am

    Awsome video.



  11. Jack Parsons on April 6, 2021 at 12:23 am

    An analysis using the principle of statistics, specifically the CP of service ball landings of the average pro combined with the finding that missed serves can easily swing a game to the opponents. Unlike tennis, points are only scored by the serving team, a key point in this analysis.



  12. Kevin Bacon on April 6, 2021 at 12:24 am

    As usual, Joe comes up with ANOTHER gem…
    I don’t serve fast but I have been trying to serve deep for a while now. It’s been working well but I’m going to have to see if my service faults are going up or not.
    More videos please..

    Thanks again Joe.



  13. Don Geo on April 6, 2021 at 12:27 am

    You are looking at the results but you have to aim long to get it in the center. If you aim for the center it’s gonna be really short most of the time. I’ll bet if you interview these players they all think deep.



  14. Mike Najjar on April 6, 2021 at 12:27 am

    Joe, regardless of where these 17 serves bounced, the returners still had both feet behind the baseline when striking the ball. So, the serves were effectively deep.